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June 16, 2011

Cleaner Cars, More Emissions

Via Planetizen:

So says a report from Sweden. Apparently feeling better about what you're driving might make you drive more.

Posted by Chris Smith at 12:03 AM

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June 15, 2011 10:42 PM
Ron Swaren Says:

I would look at the advantage of alternative fueled cars or high mpg cars as a means of saving money. With as many innovations as are being analyzed and invented right now, fuel efficiency can, at least, be on a permanent upward trajectory. Not saying it necessarily will, but the science is there...

So I wouldn't be too concerned by this report.


June 16, 2011 12:17 AM
Dave H Says:

Are you really driving more, or just limiting your driving less?


June 16, 2011 6:31 AM
Chris I Says:

I'm not surprised that this effect was found in Sweden. They have a strong public transit system with high utilization. Their green-car subsidies skewed the market by making these cars cheaper. This is not the case in the United States, as the vast majority of our green cars are going to people that already drive for most of their trips anyway.

At any rate, it is still a good cautionary tale. We need to punish bad behavior (excessive fuel consumption) instead of rewarding good. This can be done through gas tax increases, which are badly needed to fund the highway trust fund. Once you raise the gas tax by a large amount, there is no need to subsidize electric cars or hybrids. Let the market decide.


June 16, 2011 10:25 AM
Bob R. Says:

For a combination of reasons, our Prius gets its best in-town MPG on a particular trip we take out to Oak Grove regularly. I joke that we should drive it much more often so we'll have a higher MPG rating on the computer display, thus saving gas. :-)


June 16, 2011 11:03 AM
Bob R. Says:

Or, phrased better, "If only we could drive this trip more often, we'd save so much gas."


June 16, 2011 1:58 PM
Alon Levy Says:

I'm going to look for a link, but when I posed the same question to the Drum Major Institute, they sent me a link to a meta-study showing that on average, the effect of people driving more when they get more fuel-efficient cars is only about 20%; the remaining 80% is still saved fuel.


June 16, 2011 9:32 PM
Jason McHuff Says:

"If only we could drive this trip more often, we'd save so much gas."

Kind of like buying something because you have a coupon.


June 16, 2011 9:41 PM
Bob R. Says:

Precisely. :-)


June 18, 2011 7:20 AM
Ron Swaren Says:

Is it like borrowing money and inflating your debt away, before other nations catch on and decide they are not going to take it:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/06/17/china.military.modernization/


June 21, 2011 8:40 AM
Nathanael Says:

Hope Alon finds that link, because that matches what I'd expect.

'Course I'm getting an all-electric car so I would have to drive a LOT more to make up for the massive improvement in well-to-wheels efficiency.... and I know I'll only drive a little more.


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